Subject	Stiff penalties alone don't work. We've got the highest
Posted by	zellamay on June 26, 2011 at 1:07 PM
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In Reply To	Punishing the wrong party doesn't solve the problem. Make posted by MixManMash on June 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM
Message	incarceration rate in the industrialized world to prove it.
Follow Ups	CA/NY Z owners, brace yourselves - LJZTT 00:16:58 06/25/11 LOL (n/m) - ELIM 02:05:31 06/25/11 Re: CA/NY Z owners, brace yourselves - UrbanDiplomat 03:05:05 06/25/11 well it does somewhat make sence - FuerGrissa 05:26:16 06/25/11 Think about what you're saying... - arrowenterprises 06:06:06 06/25/11 He hit a BUNCH of trees. - dogpile 08:41:54 06/25/11 Umm, no...Take responsibility for yourself people. - tdogzjoint 14:34:49 06/25/11 I am so friggin disgusted with the letigious nature of... - arrowenterprises 05:55:02 06/25/11 Can't blame the lawyers for making a living off our - LJZTT 07:17:22 06/25/11 Yes you can blame the litigator lawyers.... - zdoc 08:26:12 06/25/11 Yes, you can. Lawyers choose thier profession, and - zellamay 08:29:43 06/25/11 so legislators collaborating with the litigation industry - LJZTT 10:59:05 06/25/11 Ditto! (n/m) - ubermiach 11:12:47 06/25/11 What you describe is a part of it, but it's so much more. - zellamay 16:06:29 06/25/11 Maybe his wife could sue the bar he was drinking at, or the - MixManMash 07:39:46 06/25/11 Forgot to add, it's about time people take responsibility - MixManMash 07:42:22 06/25/11 I'm glad I'm not alone. I thought the responses would be... - arrowenterprises 07:56:51 06/25/11 Sue the bar? It's interesting that we put drug dealers - zellamay 08:35:05 06/25/11 What about the guy who's drinking at the bar? Shouldn't he - MixManMash 08:39:40 06/25/11 Well, if we are interested in making the roads safer, - zellamay 08:59:17 06/25/11 If I choke and die from drinking a bottle of water, should - na300zx (OH) 09:15:32 06/25/11 Okay, you spend your energy trying to figure out who is - zellamay 16:08:56 06/25/11 General consumption is what has to be held responsible - ubermiach 09:37:36 06/25/11 THis post was intended for Mr. Zellamay (n/m) - ubermiach 09:39:13 06/25/11 If there are 2 people who could decide whether your - zellamay 16:14:08 06/25/11 A: drugs sold by drug dealers are illegal, both the dealer - LJZTT 11:37:53 06/25/11 Drugs are not car parts, the logic is waning here. - zellamay 16:56:11 06/25/11 NO we do not need "positions and strategies", the last thing - LJZTT 20:13:35 06/25/11 Your words are revealing. I couldn't condemn your - zellamay 21:13:52 06/25/11 Punishing the wrong party doesn't solve the problem. Make - MixManMash 10:11:49 06/26/11 Stiff penalties alone don't work. We've got the highest - zellamay 13:07:08 06/26/11 ok, let's apply your logic to the topic on hand - LJZTT 11:32:10 06/26/11 oh and btw you dodge the the crux of the issue entirely - LJZTT 11:44:30 06/26/11 "Zero difference between decisions regarding cars and - zellamay 12:50:01 06/26/11 You got me there. I did expand the topic. But I am - zellamay 12:45:24 06/26/11 oh boy.............. - ubermiach 08:47:18 06/25/11 She can sue the bar. - dogpile 08:48:19 06/25/11 yep and yep. - Halo TTZ 13:48:58 06/25/11 Isn't that the libertarian dream? - vorpalZ 08:22:20 06/25/11 Replace libertarian with liberal and yeah. - na300zx (OH) 08:45:50 06/25/11 Careful here. You are just as confused as vorpalZ. - zellamay 09:03:48 06/25/11 you know nothing about libertarianism apparently - LJZTT 11:02:12 06/25/11 2x blood alcohol; 3x speed limit; 4x stupid level = No Case (n/m) - Gordo 93TT Daytona 08:45:13 06/25/11 Agreed! (n/m) - ubermiach 08:48:34 06/25/11 I was thinking to myself when reading this ridiculous - LJZTT 11:06:14 06/25/11 Can you elaborate more on "CA" in your title? - SimaYi 08:53:01 06/25/11 "California" - ubermiach 10:59:25 06/25/11 I figured those would be the two states I would feel most - LJZTT 11:12:25 06/25/11 They're the two that usually come to mind first-Links inside - BoneZ 12:13:31 06/25/11 I agree that such policy is outrageous. - SimaYi 12:46:24 06/25/11 The assumption of personal responsibility is dead in the US (n/m) - Saint 10:25:25 06/25/11 You sir, have hit the nail on the head! - LitlElvis 12:24:46 06/25/11 I was just talking about this very thing the other day. - zQuikonE 12:30:05 06/25/11 yep, happened when that chick burned herself with McD coffee - Rogy 18:47:29 06/25/11 In her defense - McD's was regularly serving coffee at - Bernie (NoVA) 22:12:53 06/25/11 its a fine line I guess, but most people make their coffee - Rogy 23:35:05 06/25/11 The warning labels came after this suit and McD's improved - Bernie (NoVA) 09:43:19 06/26/11 This. (n/m) - SeedyROM 23:32:39 06/25/11 Journalists grabbing at straws here - Dallas DamonZ 12:47:40 06/25/11 This the correct answer. (n/m) - ztunerz 13:32:28 06/25/11 I completely agree. - SimaYi 14:19:25 06/25/11 Porsche would have to hire Casey Anthony's atty to lose this (n/m) - dpjax 16:31:39 06/25/11 Yep, 100% agree. (n/m) - Whatsagoodword 17:05:44 06/25/11 And this. (n/m) - SeedyROM 23:32:47 06/25/11 At this rate we'll all be signing legal release forms - JGZ32 15:17:12 06/25/11 Cool! Now we can sue gun makers when a relative - ChrisZTT(Sacto, CA) 19:13:59 06/25/11
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